TEF 20 Engine Not Repaired

Well it’s nearly 18 months since we bought a TEF 20 with a seized engine.  As soon as we got the tractor home we were eager to get started with stripping the engine and finding out where the problem was.  But the TEF is still sat in the corner of the shed, so why is this if we were so keen to get started?  Well I guess the problem is that the tractor belongs to us.  You see, well what I mean is, we always have a long list of repairs to do to customers’ tractors – and they have to take priority.  As a result the engine is still very much in one piece and still seized.

A few weeks ago one of our customers rang to say he had a TEF and the hydraulics weren’t working.  Could we go along and take a look.  So we did and after a quick initial assessment decided it was going to need a full strip-down of the hydraulics.  The next day we went back armed with a tool box and the video camera.  And that was it, the TE 20 Hydraulics DVD was now been filmed.

What about our TEF with the seized engine?  Well it’s still there and we intend to get to it as soon as we can, although we’ve got Joe’s TVO35 to work on first – it has a frosted block so Joe has found a second hand block to swap over.

In the mean time, the Hydraulics DVD is to finnish off which will take me a few weeks to edit all the footage and author the DVD onto disc.

Ferguson TE20 Website Resources

If there’s one model of tractor that’s written most about on the internet it is probably the Ferguson TE 20.  That’s not really surprising in itself, as there were well over 500,000 tractors manufactured between 1946 and 1956.

Vintage Tractor Engineer has decided to take a minute to put some of these resources on this page for quick and easy navigation (not just to help you the visitor, but also so Vintage Tractor Engineer can find these sites quickly and easily).  One site, however, is a little favourite of Vintage Tractor Engineer – and that’s Tim Ray’s ploughmyfield site.  What we like about Tim’s site is that it’s regularly updated, things are researched in detail and really well inllustrated with photos and videos – just like this post on a 4WD TEA 20.

Ferguson TE 20

So here are some links to TE20 resources.  There are dozens and dozens on the web, so this is just a selection.  If you know of any more that are of interest then please leave the link in the comments.  Thanks.

Blogs and personal Ferguson sites…

Ferguson TEF20

GreyFergie

Ploughmyfield

Larger clubs and organisations…

Ferguson Enthusiasts of North America

Ferguson Family Museum

Friends of Ferguson Heritage

Harry Ferguson Tractor Club of Australia

Old Ferguson Tractors

The Ferguson Club

Parts, suppliers and restorers…

Agriline Products

Fergiland

Maine Surface Finnishing

Silver Fox Tractor Spares

Slinden Services (block repairs)

Smallholder Services

Southern Counties Tractor Spares

Massey Ferguson 202, Hydraulics No Pressure

Rich from New York has sent in a question about his MF202. The hydraulic pump isn’t outputting any pressure. Rich has just bought the Hydraulics DVD and while it is in transit accross to The States he’s asked this question…

I have an MF 202 and Hydraulics do not work.

If I remove the standpipe cover oil flows out of the stand pipe but at no pressure what so ever (any position of the controls).Can you give me any hints to isolate the problem. Can I remove the side access cover and manually move the control lever ? Which way to rasie the lift ? How can I see if oil is blowing out of the pump releif valve. How can I check to control valves ?

Thanks
Rich
NY USA

Hi Rich,

You can remove the right hand side cover and take a look what is happening (DON’T PUT YOUR HANDS INSIDE WHILE ENGINE IS RUNNING), you can control the pump with the quadrant levers when you do this (for safety) and make sure the levers are moving the linkage and control valve. On occasions it is possible to see an obvious leak, usually just an o’ring on the stand pipe but I have seen a split stand pipe before as well.

You say there is no pressure coming from the top of the stand pipe so that starts to narrow down the search for the problem. If the control linkages are operating the control valve OK then it could be the control valve which is worn (these are a very, very precision fit in the housing and must be near perfect otherwise oil will leak past it).

Or, presuming nothing is physically broken on the pump such as a yoke, then the pistons and cylinders could be badly worn and producing no pressure. Or the relief valve stuck open/broken (quite possible if you have a distinct lack of oil volume and pressure). Or last (but not least) there could be a problem with one or more of the valves. Oh, also there is the filter to consider, but unlikely to be causing those symptoms I think.

If the problem isn’t obvious from looking through the side cover then don’t worry. Just remove the top cover and pump as by instructions on the DVD and fully strip the pump. Inspect all springs, valve seats, pistons, cylinders, etc. Look for scores and grooves, check all o’rings. Take your time and inspect the components with a careful and critical eye. The fault will probably be quite obvious. A full pump refurbishment kit is not all that expensive, and probably worth fitting while you are in there if there is some general wear accross all the components of the pump.

Good luck

Steve + Ian

Massey Ferguson 35

The production of Ferguson TE20 and TO20 tractors spanned a decade, from 1946 to 1956.  In tota 517,651 TE20’s were manufactured and 140,000 TO20’s.  These tractor were certainly the most successful tractor range ever built and revolutionised farming in the post war years.  In fact the TE20 was the first tractor to be used on many farms, which until that point had relied on heavy horses to do the work.

The Massey Ferguson 35

Which tractors does this article cover?

The title of this article ‘Massey Ferguson 35′ would, in actual fact, only refer to the production of tractors from 1957 to 1964, but this range of tractors included the American built TO35 (Tractor Overseas), English built FE35 (Tractor England) and the French built MF835 and 35-8.  Here we will look at the English built tractors, but just to note that production first started in America of the TO35 in 1954.  Production in England of the FE35 didn’t start until 1956.  Take a look at the serial numbers and year of production of the FE35.

Additional features to TE20

The Ferguson 35’s were an updating of the TE20 range with uprated engines and power, dual clutch option to provide live drive pto, dual range gear box to increase forward speeds from 4 to 6, ground speed pto, increased hydraulic lift capacity and the addition of draft and postion control from a dual lever hydraulic control system (link to MF35 Hydraulics DVD).  The De Luxe version was fitted with the dual clutch, live P.T.O., tractormeter and cushion seat.

Grey gold

The first of the Ferguson 35 tractors were painted with Grey tin work and copper coloured castings and were called the Ferguson FE35.  Power was provided from either the Standard Motor Company petrol, VO or 23C 4 cylinder diesel engine.  Many people ask why the engine is called the ‘23C’ , well the Standard 23C engine is 2259 cc (in other words, nearly 23 hundred) [or 'C'].

The distinctive colour scheme of the tractor led to the following names – Grey Bronze, Golden Grey, Gold Bellies, Grey & Gold, Gold Standard, Golden Belly, Golden Bird, Goldbauch (Germany) – and production in this livery continued with the last tractor been produced at serial number 74655.

Transition to Massey Ferguson 35

Massey Harris and Ferguson merged on the 12th August 1953 and were known as Massey Harris Ferguson.  The company name was changed to Massey-Ferguson (note the hyphen) following an announcement on 19th November 1957, but then the hyphen was dropped early in 1958.

The colour of the tractor changed from grey and copper to the more familiar red tin work and grey castings.

The change to the colour of the tractor was late in 1957 when the Massey-Ferguson name was first announced.  The best information we have is that the first red and grey tractor was prodcued on the 5th December 1957, but if you know of any different information please let us know.

Red and grey Ferguson 35 tractor

One of the first red and gey tractors - note the Ferguson badge

The first of these red and grey tractos retained the Ferguson badge on the front of the bonnet and the Ferguson 35 decals along the side of the bonnet (in the form of a metal badge as opposed to a sticker).  However, the serial number plates (on the dashboard) continued to have the tractor model number stamped as FE35 and this model denotion continued right the way through the manufacture of all the Massey Ferguson 35’s.  The photo above is from a promotional brochure of the tractor from 1957, and below – a close up of those badges.

Close-up of the Ferguson badges

It is quite clear from these photos that the first red and grey tractors had Ferguson on the front and Ferguson 35 on the side of the bonnet and we also know that they have FE35 stamped on the identification plate.  It therefore follows that although by this time the Massey-Ferguson company was founded and the colour of the tractor change to red and grey, the tractor was still branded as a Ferguson.

One reader of this website has suggested that the Ferguson brand/badge remained until serial number 107892 (which was around June 1958) after which the  triple triangle of Massey Ferguson was introduced.   However, there are other tractor documented such as David’s red and grey 35 (August 1958 SDM112958) and Per’s FE35 (1959 SDM161488) – both with Ferguson badges on the front of the bonnet.  David’s tractor is in Australia and Per’s in Canada and it is possible that these tractors were assembled after shipping using component parts in their respective countries, so there could be some differences here in comparrison to the English built tractors for the home market.

Also, there is the following information to consider…

Friends of Ferguson Enthusiasts site details engineering documents # 181 200 M93
MF front hood emblem authorized by Engineering Dept. on 2/9/60.
See…(MF 35 Parts Book, MF, Inc. Form No. 651 093 M93, {6/77}, pp. 196, 197;specified on MF 35 Engineering Drawing # 181 200 M93/sheet 3).

Wording change on decals from “Ferguson” to Massey-Ferguson” authorized by Engineering Dept. on 2/9/60.

Bonnets, wings, castings

We can just see the push button bonnet catch on the photo above, and this continued to be used until 1959 serial number 141140 after which a swivel catch was fitted on top of the bonnet lid itself.  The six stud half shaft housing that was used on the grey gold tractors continued to be used for the production of the first 2972 red and grey machines before been replaced with the 12 stud version.

There were many small changes and options to the tractors over the period of manufacture.  The first of the Perkins engine tractors retained the old-style air inlet under the bonnet, but this changed to the raised air cleaner intake that went through the bonnet and must be removed before the bonnet can be lifted.  1962 gave the option of PAVT (power assisted variable track) wheels to speed up alteration of the rear wheel track and the advent of the swinging drawbar.

Mudguards changed from the shell design to the extension mudguards that connected to revised footplates – this change was made to ensure health and safety compliance.

Engines and transmission

The most notable change was probably the adoption of the Perkins A3.152 engine from serial number 165596 in 1959.  This engine gave 37 horsepower (3 more than the 23C) and was well liked by farmers.  The 23C engine was renowned for poor starting performance and the Perkins engine brought new life into the 35.  If you are rebuilding one of these engines we have uploaded data specifications and torques for the Perkins and the Standard engine.  If you are rebuilding the Standard engine then you may find some useful information in the Engine Rebuild DVD.

The transmission remained the same until there was a multi-power option on the 35X.  This doubled up the available gears and also gave the advantage of change on the move gear shift.

MF 35X

The last engine change came with the introduction of the Massey Ferguson 35X, which used an uprated A3.152X engine.  This was another well liked engine and the 35X is the more desirable version to many collectors.  The differential lock became available in 1962 on the 35 and was also an option on the 35X (most of the 35X’s were fitted with the diff lock).

Castings Production Codes

The date of manufacture of the castings is given in a code which consists of a letter, followed by a number and then finally another letter.

The first letter indicates the month of manufacture ‘A’ for January, running through to ‘L’ for December.

The number refers to the day of the month.

The final letter refers to the year of production.  1957 is denoted by the letter ‘F’, through to 1964 ‘M’.

To give an example, using the information from the table below we can see that a casting stamped J 24 L would have been manufactured on October 24th 1963.

PREFIX MONTH
A January
B February
C March
D April
E May
F June
G July
H August
I September
J October
K November
L December
PREFIX YEAR SERIAL NUMBERS
F 1957 74656 – 79552
G 1958 79553 – 125067
H 1959 125068 – 171470
I 1960 171471 – 220613
J 1961 220614 – 267527
K 1962 267528 – 307230
L 1963 307231 – 352254
M 1964 352255 – 388382

This information has been collated from various sources, including many readers of the Vintage Tractor Engineer website. We would like to thank everyone who has contributed.

There have been so many changes to the Massey Ferguson 35 over the years and many tractors have had replacement castings, engines and other components, so it is often difficult to ascertain what is (or is not) original. For that reason it is always good to hear from people who have owned a ‘35 from new and can therefore be certain about its originality. If you have any information about these tractors that you feel is worth adding to this page or if you have information which differs from that above then please let us know in the comments section below.

Stolen Ferguson FE35 Tractor

Paul has just had his grey and gold FE35 tractor stolen between the 6th and
7th of May 2010.  This isn’t the first theft that Vintage Tractor Engineer has heard about recently.  Not only are people stealing our tractors, but they are even removing bonnets and other parts and stealing them.  If anyone has any information about this theft or is offered a grey gold tractor for sale then please check the serial and castings numbers and let Herefordshire plice know if you suspect anything suspicious.

Ferguson FE 35

Details are:
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Massey Ferguson FE35 s/n 74232
Engine No 302299-11
Gearbox No 182 840 M1
Axle No 183-253-M3
Registration number UXW 879
Date 1957
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Please contact Hertfordshire Police station on 0845_3300_222
Crime number A5-10-190

Any help would be appreciated.

Kind wishes
Paul Grace