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It is generally thought that the Standard Motor Company and Ricardo Engineering limited the success of the Standard 23C engine due to the design and dimensions of the entrance to the pre-combustion chambers. This single design element is often blamed for the poor starting performance of these engines.
Many engineers recommend the enlargement of this port, so the purpose of this article is to examine why this should improve the running characteristics of the engine.
Where exactly are we talking about?
We are talking about the hole on the cylinder head which faces the top of the piston (the entrance to the pre-combustion chamber from the cylinder). It is the entrance that is ground out to be enlarged (rather than the chamber itself). Bear in mind where the head gasket goes (ie. don’t grind out any further than where the gasket sits).
Why does this help?
Enlarging this entrance allows the air out of the cylinder (been compressed by the piston) to enter the precombustion chamber more quickly, which improves the cranking speed (as it isn’t trying to push the air through such a small hole). This also allows the pressure in the pre-combustion chamber to build faster and higher than it normally would do. Obviously the diesel engine works by compression ignition, so this increase in pressure makes ignition more likely and hence should improve starting performance. When the ignition occurs there is then a more free passage of the expanding gasses down into the cylinder (as we have now enlarged the entrance/exit to the pre-combustion chaber).
The ongoing development of diesel engines and preference towards direct injection tells us that anything which limits the flow of expanding gasses onto the piston reduces efficiency.
The differences in efficiency will only be small for each cycle, but remember that a 4 stroke engine turning at 2000rpm competes 1000 cycles per minute, so any small ineficiencies are magnified 1000 times and therefore become significant.
Hi Godfrey,
I know you can get the caps…
http://old20tractorparts.com/fordson-dexta-engine-parts/1631-pre-combustion-chamber-cap-41567.html?search_query=pre-combustion+&results=3
…but I don’t know of anyone who supplies the chambers.
Another alternative may be to replace the head. It would need to be second hand, because again I don’t know of anyone who manufactures a new one. The do come up on eBay some times, for example there is one on there now…
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Massey-Ferguson-Cylinder-Head-FE35-4-cylinder-23c-/282339021104
Sorry I cannot give you a link to where to buy a new one from.
Hi
Removed Pre combustion Parts from massey ferguson fe35 found hair line cracks. can you please advise where i can purchase new ones.
I have your engine overhaul DVD.
Hi all, just to mention we have finished the 23C engine rebuild, using completely standard specifications, this engine now starts in three or four revolutions using zero heat. Standard starter, no holes drilled or filed in the head. We came to the conclusion that Mr Ferguson would not have tolerated bad starting engines on the production line end. Indeed the old video I have clearly shows the new tractor starting in seconds without using heat. At the minute we are fitting the tinwork and will post a video proving the starting ability once and for all.
The secret is simply paying attention to the fact that after years of working, these engines wear the gear teeth and develop large tolerances between the tooth roots. Even with an old tractor using old parts, if ALL the slack is taken out before SPILL TIMING the fuel pump, it is possible to start these engines easily without heat. It takes two people who understand what they are doing to achieve this without spending a fortune on parts. One using a big bar and socket on the crank nut has to slow the engine whilst the mate does the spill timing; in effect taking ALL slack out.
These engines ARE good starters!
So long as millions don’t mail me, I will endeavor to help anyone.
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regards Nick.
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