• open panel

Ford 4600 Tractor Engine, Oil In The Water

 

Alan is having trouble with his Ford 4600 which is getting oil in the water, here’s what he has to say…

Hi,

I have both your engine rebuild and hydraulic overhaul DVD’s but unfortunately for me they cannot help me with this wee problem and was wondering if you could possibly point me in the right direction?

I have a ford 4600 wich has oil mixing with the water and assumed the head gasket was damaged. I changed the gasket and the tractor ran ok for about a day but started mixing oil with the water again. There was not any obvious damage to the old gasket and she had a new short motor about 13 years ago and has not done excessive hours since. We have always used good quality antifreeze since so I am really hoping it is not damage to the block!! I didn’t get the head skimmed when I did the head gasket as every thing looked ok. I am going to strip it down again in the spring when i get time and was wondering where else could the oil mix with the water assuming the head gasket is ok. I tinker about with the engines and not a time served mechanic so would be greatfull for any advice you could give. I do relise you will be extremely busy but any help will be greatfully received.

Regards,
Alan


Hi Alan,

Here are a couple of suggestions…

It could be a cracked cylinder head but I think this is not very likely.

It could be a porous block (which usually manifests itself as water in the oil, rather than oil in the water). What did they do when the engine was overhauled? Did they just true up the bores and fit oversized pistons? Or was it machined and liners fitted? Often the bores have just been trued up and oversized pistons fitted (as its a cheaper option) but now this means the wall of the block is even thinner than it was originally and it is likely that a crack or fissure has occured in the block allowing the water to passs through.

This is common with Ford engines and is known as ‘porous block’ (as the cylinder walls are so thin). This happens regularly with with slightly newer models such as the Ford 6610 and 7610 (even when the cylinders have not been bored out).

If this has happened then it can have cast iron sleeves pressed in which solves the problem. I would suggest measuring the pistons and comparing that measurement with the spec of the original pistons in order to determine if the pisons have been replaced with oversized ones. If they have, then I believe ‘porous block’ is likely to be the problem.

Some Ford tractor have an oil cooler in the bottom of the radiator and it is possible for that to split, this manifests itself as oil in the water so is a distinct possiblity as the cause of your problem.

Hope that helps,

Steve and Ian (VTE)

Like our site? Receive our tractor maintenance articles as they're published... it's FREE!
Straight to your inbox, so you won't miss a thing!
Your information will *never* be shared or sold to a 3rd party. Unsubscribe at any time.
 

4 Responses to “Ford 4600 Tractor Engine, Oil In The Water”

  1. Hello Steve and Ian, thanks for your reply which is very much appreciated and gives me some food for thought.

    Its kinda starting to point towards a major repair may be required! This tractor doesn’t have a oil cooler fitted and appears to have just has a standard radiator. I’m not sure how the cylinders in the new block were prepared as this work was completed just before i bought the tractor.

    Do you think if i stripped the engine down and there were any fissures in the bores they would be visible? And would it be worth getting the cylinder head checked out first and would a compression test tell me anything worth while?

    I wont get the time to strip it down for about 3 or 4 weeks but will let you know what we find.

    Thanks again for your reply its very much appreciated and a big help to me.

    Kind regards
    Alan

     
    • Alan Kerr
  2. I purchase a ford 4500 with a 3 cylinder diesel. I had signs of water in the oil and oil in the water. I replaced the head gasket to find out still had a problem. Took the engine apart again and did some testing. With the head off and the oil filter off, fill the engine block with water used a air compressor to pressurize the oil system at the oil filter output. Found bubble in the water jacket near cylinder number two. Have a crack from the high pressure oil gallery to the water jacket. Been told the block is bad and needs to be replaced. When you have the engine apart spend the time to find the true problem, I have wasted a lot of time working on an engine that was thought to just have a bad head gasket.

     
    • chuck
  3. What are the torque specs on the 1980 Ford 4600 tractor….

     
    • Troy Durham
  4. Ford tractors of the 1000 vintage had this problem quite a few times. You have a sand casting hole in the block, usually around the camshaft. The only good fix is to purchase a new block. One other item that will work, do not know for how long, is to disassemble the engine and have the block hot tanked, then fill the cooling reservoir with about one inch of hard block. They use this in the race engines. The engine will still cool okay for most uses, but may get hot if used real hard for a long period of time.

     
    • Bud Pagel
© 2014 Vintage Tractor Engineer
Powered By DynamiX